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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Seeing as how many if not most of us are seasoned and well-traveled, i thought i'd give my top 10 reasons for loving and not-so-loving New England, the home of more "deadheads" than many perhaps realize. Because i've come to realize, that for all my past wanderings, New England will likely be my home for quite some time. It's got it's good points and it's not-so-good points, any of which may change from season to season:

Top Ten Reasons To Love New England:

1.Some really friggin' exciting architecture (call me weird, but it's one of the reasons that keeps me here)
2.The rugged Atlantic coast, particularly up around Maine
3.Boston/Cambridge area
4.The Cape (and dare i say it, i'm thinking it's even more beautiful than Cape May, NJ)
5.About as far away from California as one can get
6.The history, the history, the history (obviously in no way comparable to Europe, but that's another thread)
7.The weather
8.The Yankees
9.Direwolf
10.My family is all here

Top Ten Reasons To Not Love New England So Much:

1.Pseudo-Intellectuals
2.It tries to emulate the brilliance of New York/New Jersey ... but doesn't even come close
3.John Kerry & fat boy/homicidal drunkard Teddy Kennedy
4.Rhode Island, aka "The Welfare State" (yes, i know, it's where i live)
5.The horrible sounding accents
6.Government Center/Framingham/New Bedford/Fall River
7.The weather
8.The Red Sox
9.New Englanders
10.My family is all here

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Poster: Compsurfah_Too Date: Feb 16, 2007 3:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

I am a die-hard NE-sports fan, though I think the Celtics should simply "tank-it."

My 4-year-old son was taught very early... "Booo Yankees." Wife won't let me teach anything worse, but there's still time.

He chose, "Dice-K," over "D-Mat."

I lived in CO for 2 years... Damn near impossible to be a Pats fan in CO, but I stood ground. Colorado Nordiques won a Stanley Cup when I was there... Won another on my honeymoon... Great for Ray Bourque.

I can simply raise my arms... He knows, "Touchdown." His favorite Pat is Tedy Boooski.

The CO view of leaf-color in the Fall is yellow... That ain't right. Sorry to say, color = red, yellow, purple, and orange. And fresh sea-food... forget about it. Great to be back in NE.

For New Yorkers... Clam chowder is WHITE, not Red.


Enough sports... This is my NE Dead blurb...

My favorite Boston Gahrden Dead Show was 9-20-91... Set II Help> Slip> Fire.

I bought the biggest telephoto-lens for the last Boston-run in 1994, took pictures (not great, fuzzy.. misplaced them)... and returned lens the next day. There was never to be another Boston-Run... :-/ Some New Englanders may even recall the store I bought it in... Lechmere.

Another favorite... Bobby playing Hampton Beach, NH on the night Jerry's spirit left us on 8/9/1995. Bob Weir had guts to play that night.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Feb 16, 2007 3:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

newport, RI. IN THE 70'S WAS THE BEST TIMES of my life!!! taped my first dead show 1976 at the boston garden,smoked weed and snowboarded at midnight under a full moon, it was called snurfing back then!!long summer days at 2nd beach in middletown,RI. GONE ARE THE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

The way you guys say "Park the Car"
Is New England the White Clam Chowder?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Tough sell in February...

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Poster: not_a_typical_daydream Date: Feb 16, 2007 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

California is a beautiful state, the Humbolt, Yosemite, San Fran, the Redwoods, Big Sur, Santa Cruz, Lake Tahoe. It's just the people that suck. There is a big distinction between the state and the assholes who live here. LMAO. Peace.

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Feb 16, 2007 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Ouch!
Great people and assholes everywhere...We've got all types out here--from the far left loonies to the far right nutjobs. Rainbow children to John Birchers.
Midwesterner from birth and heritage, Californian since '64, I love NorCal.
When Jer was playing theaters back east, he was playing The Keystones in the Bay (like 30 or 40 shows a year). When he was at the Spectrum and the Garden, he was at the Warfield out here. Don't forget Winterland, Kaiser, Greek, Frost, BCT, Cal Expo, Ventura, Laguna Seca...
The "Emerald Triangle" in Nor Cal produces some seriously kind produce.
Speaking of produce, Cali can't be beat. How fresh are the fruits and veggies in the market in NE this time of year? And what do they cost?
I'll put the Mendocino coastline up against any other 50 mile stretch of coastline anywhere.
I don't want to do a my state is better than your state, but I do want to defend California...We don't all suck out here.
And our (us here in the forum) favorite band is the most quintessential California band of all time (with apolgies to Brian Wilson).
So there! Neener, neener!


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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 16, 2007 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

"Great people and assholes everywhere...We've got all types out here--from the far left loonies to the far right nutjobs" -No kiddin!
Good to realize that I'm a free thinking open-minded great person! Screw them loonies and nutjobs ;)

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Feb 16, 2007 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

I probably skew a little loonie myself. Or is that screw a little loonie? Whatever...(I hope MY Diane doesn't read this! No offense, honey!)
I had to step up--only SOME of us are members of the asshole club out here! Especially those from San Mateo who find themselves "stuck" in the big valley (I'm from SM too, Rasta, and live in Sack-a-tomata)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 16, 2007 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

oh, an asshole...that's cool!
I only lived in San Mateo for my first year of life-heh.
Went to dancin at Orphan Annes (right across the San Mateo bridge) in the early 80's though -a brief disco phase-lol
Stockton is the butthole of Sac....I do enjoy 650KSTE AM
from Sac though. Also on sports radio- The Carmichael Dave show

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Feb 16, 2007 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

I remember Orphan Annies!
I have a buddy who used to work at 650AM. He's now at KFBK-the local giant talkie. Both of those are a bit to the right of my leanings. I finally got a CD player for my truck this Christmas--so I'm cranking the GD (and others) instead of listening to sports talk (or the dreaded Air America!)
Cali Rocks! (Stockton notwithstanding--hey, it's better than Turlock!)

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Poster: JodyC Date: Feb 15, 2007 7:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

As an ex resident of RI, I remember a different aspect. Granted i was 0-12, but the area I grew up was and still is beautiful. Shoot down 88 to Adamsville, Little Compton, Tiverton, the vineyards on Sakonnet Bay. I was back there this fall and it is virtually unchanged in over 40 yrs.Heres a few shots down by the shore and one with my first girlfriend from 4th grade who I hadn't seen since I left the area. Had a nice party with friends from the real old days.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 15, 2007 9:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Jody ... you speak of an area of RI that yes, is virtually pristine and beautiful, and wish i lived there, but a far cry from the meat and potatoes that make up the state, and which comprise the general negative character.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Feb 16, 2007 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Admittedly, we never went far from the area. We'd go to Boston regularly as thats where my folks are from and where my grandparents lived. I can't even remember even going to Providence as a kid. Blissfully naive!

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Feb 15, 2007 10:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Cool pics, nice story and...that's you? Cool pic. Did you post your pic last year on the, "Who are you, you, you, you you" thread, the one that asked for pics of us. Thanks for sharing, I am going to rent a car from PA in July and take a ride up that way - we'll get in touch.

Jody, how do you pull up old threads, maybe i am using the search engine here all wrong. Sometimes I feel like the smartest fool in the world (as like right now, feeling so Grateful to be listening to 2-2-70 - thanks Cliff) other times I feel like another kind of fool with technology.

Hey, can you please send me an e mail so I can mail you the shows I was talking about? jopoems-at-hot-mail

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Poster: JodyC Date: Feb 16, 2007 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Search engine for threads- no idea. I've had some luck typing in under gd forum audience recording. I have also clicked on someones name like Cliff or Stratocaster to look at all their posts for show ideas. Ask some of the moderators at the regular archive forum for their help/suggestions. My email is jodymcollinsAT sbcglobalDOTnet Later. Oh, where are you headed in July?

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Poster: cush11 Date: Feb 15, 2007 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Very picturesque and very cool Jody... Just the fact that you can go back 40 years later and KNOW people (btw, could I get the blonde's phone # ?). I grew uo in SoCal and the only people I know there anymore are friends I've made since I left... Though some of them do go back 25 to almost 35 years!

Go figger again...

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Poster: JodyC Date: Feb 16, 2007 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Yeah- small world. My college roommate senior year grew up a mile or so from those harbor shots, his best friend from high school married my childhood playmate whose dad delivered me. Her, the blonde and my best friend from grades 1-5 all went to the same college, best friend is blondes accountant. So we all got together after almost 40 yrs. The bar bill alone was over $200!Then we had dinner, then the next day I went to a 3 day college reunion. Poor liver!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 16, 2007 5:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Never having been in NE prior to it, I spent the summer of '91 doing theatre on Cape Cod, and I considered myself to be as lucky as Lou Gehrig. Magical place.

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Poster: Zooomabooma Date: Feb 16, 2007 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

The Cape Cod Marathon has been voted as one of America's Most Scenic Marathons.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 16, 2007 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

The Big Sur Marathon is right up there also. Someday I may try suicide by marathon -lol

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Poster: cush11 Date: Feb 15, 2007 11:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

My family is all from Connecticut... My Dad always said California was as far as you could get from New England without taking up Mexican citizenship...

Oh, and my family is there...

;)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 16, 2007 3:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Yet another New England DeadHead (VERMONT by way of Boston) weighing in...

first, imagine my surprise (and reprehension) that Arbuthnot lists the Yankees in his Top 10 NE list and the Red Sox in his NOT-Top 10...gives me the willies, but I'm a born and bred member of Red Sox Nation and so am programmed that way.

Here in VT we have a 70%/30% RedSox-Yankees split, the 30% of the EvilEmpire (yes, I know the $100 Million we spent on Dice-K makes that "empire" designation somewhat dubious, but w/A-Fraud's contract the Yanks will still have the higher overall payroll this year)located on the NY side of Lake Champlain w/some spill-over but not much in VT.

I do love New England, and here's a quick top 10 list in no particular order:

1. Fall. The shortest but most beautiful season nowhere in the world as gorgeous as it is here.
2. Best seafood anywhere. (Put up your dukes, Maryland or SF, we're ready).
3. Fenway Park. Don't care if you're a Red Sox fan or not, it's still the greatest ballpark in the world, the oldest (1912), and these days better than ever w/the addition of the Monster seats and right field rooftop section (just don't get tickets in the RF grandstands).
4. Best Irish bars on this side of the Atlantic.
5. The old Boston Garden, home of what used to be one of the greatest hockey franchises in history (don't get me started on the current Bruins 'organization")...yes, it's just memories now, but those memories include some GRATE Dead shows: 5/7/77 among the very best.
6. Surviving winter. If it doesn't kill you, it just makes you stronger.
7. Higher Education. yes, Harvard is a parody of istelf these days, but there are fine colleges and Universities throughout the region that live up to grand standards, and the state college are pretty good, too, for those who can't afford the Harvards and BU's.
8. Literary history. Updike, Hawthorne, Irving, Kerouac, Thoreau, Lovecraft, King (well, at least for The Shining),Anne Sexton, and many many more.
9. Birthplace of liberty. take that, King George!
10. Something beautiful in the landscape of all 6 states....even Connecticut.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 16, 2007 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

thanks grendels ... i guess i should've put some more thought into my original thread, because now that you mention it, the seafood, you are correct sir, is absolutely fantastically palatable, and so true too about the Irish bars/pubs (there are quite a number of fake "real" ones too though), and having lived in both Boston (where the Guinness actually comes from Dublin) and Dublin, i can verify that the Boston/Cambridge area sports pubs as close in character and ambiance as those found along the Liffey. And the literary history as well. Last year i went to a gathering of fans by Lovecraft's grave (Providence), with some choice readings, very nice, if admittedly the people there were on the stranger side ... uh, even though i was there too!

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Poster: Zooomabooma Date: Feb 17, 2007 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Reason to love New England?

5.About as far away from California as one can get

How convenient that was back in GD days. And Jerry played so many shows around the New England area every year, oh, wait, no, that's California I'm thinking of, primarily The Warfield.

And what's wrong with California, in general? GREAT skiing, beautiful desert landscapes, gorgeous mountains, Yosemite, the northern coastline... as much as I love New England, California has it beat in so many aspects!

And speaking of NEW JERSEY, it is very true that the state has so many beautiful places to see and enjoy. So many people knock NJ and it deserves it . . . but so does everywhere. I guess it took moving away from NJ to realize how great it truly is.

Back to New England:

2. Best seafood anywhere. (Put up your dukes, Maryland or SF, we're ready).

Hello? Alaska. I recently polished off the last of 82 pounds of smoked salmon. Cost to me per pound (including all travel expenses to go and catch it fresh) - about a buck 40 per lb.

6. Surviving winter. If it doesn't kill you, it just makes you stronger.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! Winter in the Lower 48? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm a New Englander by birthright (born in NH) and I absolutely love the place . . . there's so much that's wonderful about it (Hiking is at the top of my list.)

If Alaska or Montana didn't exist then Maine or northern New Hampshire would probably be right at the top of the places I'd choose to live.

But the U.S. Territory of Alaska just kicks New England's ass!

This post was modified by Zooomabooma on 2007-02-17 18:04:41

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 16, 2007 5:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

OK, you got us on the winter thing. I also don't challenge anyone from Canada when it comes to the Old Man.

You still can't compete w/ the chow-dah in Boston, though.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 16, 2007 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Zooma ... the California comment was, of course, more humourous than not. I fully recognize the wonders to be found out in the far off west.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 16, 2007 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

For the record, i live in New England, but was born and will die a Jerseyite. And yeah, yer right of course about winters here when compared to Alaska, but we've got you beat with the autumns.

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Feb 16, 2007 4:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

Cape Cod...Between 1959 and 1965 I spent summers on Nauset Beach at the Old Harbor Lifesaving Station. My dad was in business with a man who had purchased the station and property from the Coast Guard when it was closed by the government.... and incredible and memorable New England experience:
http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/park/oldhbrls.htm

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Poster: Bird Creek, Alaska Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

First intro to NE was Provencetown? At 13, that was a real eye opener, Crazytown.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

originally from new England I got a kick out of it. However, can you please point out the brilliance of NJ? A little creative license on that one my friend. Very funny none-the-less

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:17pm
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lobster, I will back you up on Jersey. While there are some God awful areas, there are more beautiful ones in the state then many people realize. Plus you add on a town with a name like Hohokus, and how can you go wrong?

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

The Pine Forests and the Shore is really nice.
Warning>Don't mess with N.J. State Troopers they still profile Heads

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Feb 15, 2007 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Location, Location ... A New England Perspective

I like driving down the Jersey Turnpike past all the chemical plants and by the glow of the little fireballs I can almost remember the plot line to Godzilla vs- the Smogmonster